Azz (bolt of blue) - makes surreal things more so ([info]azurelunatic) wrote,
@ 2003-07-09 01:55:00
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Entry tags:etymology, fandom, theirloveisso

Fandom Question: Harry Potter
Where did "theirloveisso..." originate?

Am having the idea that it started out as "theirloveissopure", somewhere, and spread, but bugger me if I know where/who, and which pairing...

Anyone?


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[info]liviapenn
2003-07-09 02:26 am UTC (link)

I think "theirloveissopure" started out in popslash, actually. At least, that's the first place I remember seeing it.

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[info]azurelunatic
2003-07-09 02:30 pm UTC (link)
Thanks.

Do you know what pairing it was about?

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[info]liviapenn
2003-07-09 02:40 pm UTC (link)

Hmmmm. I *want* to say Joey and Lance...?

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[info]elina
2003-07-09 02:46 pm UTC (link)
Actually, it was Ms. [info]silviakundera who became convince that O-Town's Ashley and Trevor's love was so very, very pure.

I think. I've tried to wipe my memory banks of anything having to do with O-Town, but I've only been partially successful.

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[info]tzikeh
2003-07-09 02:49 pm UTC (link)
Actually, it was coined in LotRPS - it came from making fun of the people who truly truly believe that Dominic Monaghan and Elijah Wood are lovers. the "Purity" of their love is a huge point for them.

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[info]azurelunatic
2003-07-09 02:52 pm UTC (link)
That rings a very, very faint bell.

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[info]liviapenn
2003-07-09 02:53 pm UTC (link)

*blink* I would almost be willing to *swear* I was seeing it in the pre-LOTR days... wow, strange how your memory plays tricks. Perhaps we should try tracking down the earliest reference anyone can find?

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[info]azurelunatic
2003-07-09 02:54 pm UTC (link)
This is fascinating.

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[info]liviapenn
2003-07-09 03:15 pm UTC (link)

I'm glad you think so, given how this entry has exploded with comments. I love this stuff too. *grins*

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[info]azurelunatic
2003-07-09 03:19 pm UTC (link)
I just hope that etymology won't become mixed up with entomology.

thispostissonotinfestedwithcockroaches!

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[info]overloved
2003-07-09 05:10 pm UTC (link)
I would like to second that Silvia did start it with those rats from Otown.

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[info]elina
2003-07-09 02:53 pm UTC (link)
No, I'm sorry, theirloveisso... predates LotRPS.

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[info]tzikeh
2003-07-09 02:56 pm UTC (link)
I've sent off a minion to Datalounge Anonymous to track it down - let's see if we can. I'm perfectly willing to believe it predates LotRPS, but I remember the huge wank about how Dominic and Elijah's love is "so pure", which was a real post, and how that immediately became theirloveissopure.

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[info]elina
2003-07-09 02:59 pm UTC (link)
LOL - I'm scrolling Silvia's calendar even as we speak (type?).

RESEARCH UBER ALLES! *g*

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[info]azurelunatic
2003-07-09 03:03 pm UTC (link)
I e-mailed a BNF to see if they could put their minions on it.

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[info]tzikeh
2003-07-09 03:03 pm UTC (link)
LOL! Ah, how we research-loving people show our colors. "Must... find... truth... about... meaningless... factoid..."

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[info]callmesandy
2003-07-09 03:06 pm UTC (link)
I don't know if it's the first use but she used it right here as the subject of her post and that's December 2001.

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[info]elina
2003-07-09 03:11 pm UTC (link)
Aw, crappity, there's a "theirloveissotragic" reference the day before that one. Which means there's more etymology going on than we realized.

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[info]tzikeh
2003-07-09 03:14 pm UTC (link)
ROFL! Can we ask Silvia where she got it, or if she coined it?

Thisphraseissoetymologicallycloseted!

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[info]azurelunatic
2003-07-09 03:18 pm UTC (link)
*snicker*

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[info]elina
2003-07-09 03:26 pm UTC (link)
I've got a -sopure on 12/14/01 and a -sotragic on 12/9/01. sopure is Erik and Ashley, sotragic is Brian and Nick.

So, I think the phrase started in the crossover NSYNC/BSB popslash fandom, mutated into the -sopure version with Silvia and O-Town, and then spread like FIYAH! =)

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[info]azurelunatic
2003-07-09 03:28 pm UTC (link)
And [info]thegraybook e-mailed me back and said: "My understanding is that it comes from the popslash fandom. I believe maybethemoon on LJ knows."

So. Off to ask.

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[info]azurelunatic
2003-07-09 03:45 pm UTC (link)
Aha.

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[info]azurelunatic
2003-07-09 03:57 pm UTC (link)
Overachievers R Us

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[info]redshoeson
2003-07-09 02:44 pm UTC (link)
No idea, but I'd be interested in finding out. ^_^

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[info]azurelunatic
2003-07-09 03:04 pm UTC (link)
I'll post if anything interesting gets uncovered.

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[info]tzikeh
2003-07-09 03:12 pm UTC (link)
Excellent. I wonder if we can actually find out how it made it from one place to the next, or not - it's like Patient Zero! Except people don't die.

TheirloveissonotlikeAIDS!

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[info]moony
2003-07-09 03:41 pm UTC (link)

Theirloveisso... definitely predates LOTRiPS, as one of the first people to write in that fandom. The phrase started back in Popslash, with the JoLa people, and was quickly adopted and applied to other pairings as needed - I can't remember if it was Silvia who coined it, or rather Em who was the JoLa queen at the time.

I think pinpointing the actual origins of the phrase might be impossible, but I am 99% certain it's a Popslash thing. And, since there are SO many ex-popslashers in the HP fandom, it's not surprising at all that it got carried over.

Hope that helps!

- Moony

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[info]azurelunatic
2003-07-09 03:43 pm UTC (link)
Yes. Thank you. :D

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[info]liviapenn
2003-07-09 03:54 pm UTC (link)

Would it be the most unattractive thing in the world if I did the dance of I Was Right?

*does the dance anyway*

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[info]bubosquared
2003-07-10 11:39 am UTC (link)
I just found an old e-mail from Silvia in which she says she got it from the TWoP recaps of Making the Band (in which it was "Their love is so pure!", which she then schmushed together.

FWIW. :)

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[info]moony
2003-07-10 11:43 am UTC (link)

Aha! Well, that settles it, ne?

I honestly thought it predated O-Town. Shows how much I know. Perhaps I was merely thinking wistfully of a world without Ugly Rats In Love.

(And you know, the sad thing is that I could have just picked up the phone and called Silvia and ASKED her, "Yo, where'd 'theirloveisso' come from?" but no, because I suck.)

:-D

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[info]bubosquared
2003-07-10 11:45 am UTC (link)
Well, also according to Silvia, Bonibaru *swore* she'd seen it around before the Rats, so there you go.

Meanwhile, I'm still trying to figure out if I was actually the one who coined the acronym "RPS" or not ...

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[info]moony
2003-07-10 11:58 am UTC (link)

When did the whole O-Town slash stuff happen? Because I had just got to Orlando when the theirloveisso... thing was really in full-force, and that was early-2001, but I could sweat I'd heard it before that. *hits head*

And I wouldn't be surprised if you were the one responsible for RPS. ;-) You deviant personality, you!

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[info]bubosquared
2003-07-10 12:09 pm UTC (link)
:p Well, before RS-X and all (this was early 2000), people always called it "actorslash", because the possibility of musicianslash didn't seem to occur to them. (Will spare you further theorising, but suffice to say the RPS and FPS worlds were very much separated back then.) The first handful of posts on RS-X still call it "real people slash" or "realpeopleslash", and I'm fairly sure I coined the acronym when I wrote the FMO.

I AM NOT A DEVIANT!

Oh, and O-Town? No clue, as I didn't get into popslash until late (like, late December) 2000, early 2001.

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[info]moony
2003-07-11 10:00 pm UTC (link)

I love the acronymns, man. Acronymns MAKE the fandom. Not to mention the great names people come up with for pairings. Current favoure: Snape/Tonks = Snonks.

You arrrrre a deviant. Deeeeeeeeviously so.

You got into Popslash just after I did, then, and the O-Town stuff was going on in mid-2001. My friends list was so scary.

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[info]azurelunatic
2003-07-11 09:26 pm UTC (link)
http://www.livejournal.com/users/maybethemoon/291814.html

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Popping over from <LJ COMM="theglossary">
[info]_redpanda_
2004-10-21 12:30 pm UTC (link)
This SO rocks. I will have to link to it. :)

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Re: Popping over from <LJ COMM="theglossary">
[info]azurelunatic
2004-10-21 03:06 pm UTC (link)
Whee! All hail the mad powers of LJ research skills.

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[info]truly_tintin
2005-10-17 10:17 pm UTC (link)
Hmm... I've seen variants of this, usually used in iconnery, but I think it stemmed from LotR fandom, and sent it's tentacles over into... oh, just about every other major fandom in the universe.

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[info]azurelunatic
2005-11-27 11:28 am UTC (link)
A couple people actually tracked down what seems to have been the first appearance of it in the long threads above there. Scary!

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