The Reverend Miss Lunatic (bolt of blue) ([info]azurelunatic) wrote,
@ 2009-03-03 17:03:00
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Things that you are not entitled to on the internet:
(The "you" and "me" here are not actually you and me.)


When you meet me on the internet, you are not entitled to know the legal identity that my local government recognizes me as. You get to see the screen name I am using to interact with you. If I choose to, I may have listed a face-to-face name I answer to. The name I share with you is the one I would like you to address me by. You do not win magic points by knowing the name that was on my birth certificate, or my current legal name. To pick a public and well-known example, insisting upon calling someone "William" when they have repeatedly stated that the name they answer to is "Ferrett" is really a dick move.

You can call someone anything you want to in the privacy of your own head, but when you are speaking to them, or speaking of them in a public forum, it is only basic courtesy to address them by their preferred name. If you address them by a name you know they do not like, you have failed basic politeness and should go back to kindergarten. If you act like a dick to me, you are not entitled to be treated like you are not being a dick.


You are not entitled to know whether I am someone you have met face-to-face. I am not entitled to know the same about you. It rather behooves both of us to be careful about sharing personal information with a stranger, either face-to-face or on the internet, but we don't have to admit it if we recognize each other.


You are not entitled to know whether I am biologically male, female, or something else. You are not entitled to know whether I think of myself as a man, a woman, both, a neuter, or something that mainstream society doesn't have the vocabulary to express. You are not entitled to know whether my self-expression matches the chromosomes I was born with. You are not entitled to know my legal sex, even if my workplace is. I may choose to share these things. I may choose to keep them private.

Sex is a very basic pigeonhole that we learn very young. We're taught that it matters, and file someone away into male or female when we meet them. Once it's taught, it can take enormous amounts of un-learning to stop doing it, or stop thinking that it matters. If we were to meet on the street, you would have a good guess about what sex I am. You would not look down my pants to prove to yourself that your guess was right. If you did, I would call for the cops and possibly punch you in the face. You do not necessarily have the same visual, audio, and kinesthetic information about me on the internet. You are not entitled to that on the internet. You are not entitled to that information in the world of written correspondence either. Fans of literature should look to George Eliot and James Tiptree, Jr.

If I do not note whether I am male, female, or other, I run the risk of having you assume incorrectly. This assumption usually says more about you than it does about me.


I may choose an image to associate with myself. That may or may not resemble what I actually look like. It may or may not be intended to represent me. Sometimes it's just a picture I like, not the mental image I'd like you to have when you think of the face that goes with the name.

You are not entitled to know my ethnic background. You are not entitled to know my nationality. You are not entitled to know what kind of upbringing I had. You are not entitled to know what my educational background is. You are not entitled to know my sexual orientation. You are not entitled to know what kind of clothes I wear. You are not entitled to know the color of my eyes, or the length, color, texture, presence, or absence of my hair. You are not entitled to know if I dye my hair, and if I do dye it, whether it's a color that is normally found on humans. You are not entitled to know if I shave parts of my body, especially not if the body parts are not ones you'd normally see. You are not entitled to know whether or not I am what you would consider attractive. You are not entitled to know if it's boxers or briefs. You are not entitled to know whether I have the normal number of limbs for a human being, or if I have any varyingly interesting or painful after-market additions or subtractions. You are not entitled to know whether I am a marathon runner in my spare time or if I am confined to bed because my body is disintegrating and I cannot even sit up.

Many of these things can be very helpful in knowing how to relate to someone. They are not necessary. On the internet, it is possible to not share certain basic stuff about yourself that is unavoidably shared when you meet someone face to face. Humans are used to using these things to cement a relationship, to build a model of the other person in one's head, to fill in the missing pieces, to relate to where the other party is coming from. It is untrue that no one on the internet cares about these things. Many people share these things. It is true that one can misrepresent these things. However, these things are not necessary to know, and you are not entitled to know them.

You may find that you have made assumptions. Have I ever said that I was male or female, or did you guess from my name? Did you pick up something from someone else talking about me? Are you sure that they were right? Did you assume that I was something because of the company I keep? Did you fill in my blanks based on people you have known before? You could be right. You could be wrong. You could be acting on prejudices and stereotypes. I cannot stop you from making assumptions. However, if you state your assumptions in public, and your assumptions are wrong, you may look like a dick. You may look like a dick even if your assumptions are right. You are certainly entitled to make yourself look like a dick in public, but you are not entitled to be treated like someone who is not acting like a dick when you are in fact acting like a dick. You are not entitled to me studying the entire history of your interactions with others before coming to the conclusion that you acted like a dick. You are not entitled to a clean slate once you have stopped acting like a dick this time.


You are not entitled to bombard me for making a public statement. You are not entitled to treat me as a toy for your entertainment. You are not entitled to use my time and energy for your profit. You are not entitled to my money unless we have agreed on a transaction involving a good or service from you, and then I am entitled to that good or service in return as agreed, and disputes about this are best handled in a court in a mutually agreeable jurisdiction. You are not entitled to my attention. You are not entitled to my feedback. You are not entitled to my consideration. I can dismiss you and your wants just as easily as you can dismiss me and mine. You are not entitled to the chance to change my mind. You are not entitled to read everything I feel like writing. You are not entitled to me expanding on all my thoughts if you didn't understand them the first time. You are not entitled to having a way to communicate with me. If I have made available a way to communicate with me, I am entitled to shut it down if I feel it is being abused. I am entitled to withdraw from communication in a recreational venue if the communication has become unproductive. You, too, are entitled to withdraw from communication.


You are not entitled to know all of the languages I speak. You may see my screen name without ever interacting with me. If I interact with you, you will probably learn at least one of the languages I can write in, unless of course I'm operating through translation of some sort. You can see my command of the language by the words I use to interact with you, assuming they're mine. You may never know whether I can pronounce the words I'm using, nor whether I'm stretching to words I don't ordinarily use, nor if I'm dumbing down my word choice to make sure you can understand what I mean. I may say I get it when I don't. I may understand you but ignore you.


You are not entitled to know the IP address I am connecting from unless I am connecting to a server you control. If we are interacting on a server you do not control, you are not entitled to know my IP address. You may try to gather it by including content from a server you control, such as images, but I am free to block them from being loaded by my browser. You are entitled to gather the IP address of anyone who comments in your space on LiveJournal. I am entitled to know whether you are gathering IP addresses. If I do not want my IP address gathered, I do not comment. If you do not want your IP address gathered in my journal, you do not comment.

You are also not entitled to know whether the IP address I am using right now is my regular IP address or not. Sometimes you can guess. Sometimes it is a matter of public record that this IP address is a proxy. Sometimes I have an IP that has been assigned to possibly thousands of residential customers in a large area belonging to a particular ISP. You may use various tricks and services to find out what journal that IP is likely to be associated with, but that is a rather specialist level of research, and not something you are entitled to know.


You are not entitled to know whether I am one person writing under one name, one person writing under many names, or a single name shared by a group. You are not entitled to know whether the person you knew under a certain fairly common nickname on one website is the same person using the same or a similar nickname, with a similar writing style, on another website. It's pretty much a certainty if they've the same e-mail address listed, if the sites both insist that you verify access to the e-mail address before having it listed, but it's not your right to know.

If I am using a sockpuppet for the purposes of acting like a dick, I do deserve to be found out and treated like one. If I am being a sufficient dick under one identity to be removed from a server for being a dick, then I deserve to have all of my accounts pulled. While it would be a public service for the owner of the server to identify the dick who was in command of those sockpuppets, you are not entitled to that information.


If I choose to withhold any of this information, it is information that I am entitled to withhold. You may have a social expectation for some of this information, but it is not your right to have it. If you make a big fuss about not having this information, why, exactly, are you spending time on the internet?

Is it useful to know these things? Yes. Very much so, in some cases. It is not required, and it is not your right. Speaking of some rights:

I am not entitled to publish damaging statements about you that are not true. That is called libel, and it is not legal.
I am not entitled to make credible threats to your safety and well-being. This is a scenario where the various internet-based services I am on should cooperate with your local law enforcement.
I am not entitled to reproduce your intellectual property without your permission. I am especially not entitled to profit from doing so.

I am permitted to hold and share opinions about you that are not flattering. Please see your local internets lawyer for the distinction between this and libel.
Shockingly, I may hold separate opinions of a body of work and the creator of that body of work. I may have no personal problem with you, but very deep issues with something you have written. (Whether that's actually a problem I have with you depends on how attached you are to that particular piece of writing. If it's an issue that's deep within your own self-image, then yeah, we may have problems.)


You are not entitled to me having a good opinion of you. That's okay. I'm not entitled to your having a good opinion of me either.


[Edited to add: now with a sequel: Privacy vs. Social Expectations, in particular to LiveJournal]



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[info]musesfool
2009-03-04 01:23 am UTC (link)
You are certainly entitled to make yourself look like a dick in public, but you are not entitled to be treated like someone who is not acting like a dick when you are in fact acting like a dick. You are not entitled to me studying the entire history of your interactions with others before coming to the conclusion that you acted like a dick. You are not entitled to a clean slate once you have stopped acting like a dick this time.

I think this should be tattooed on many people's faces.

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[info]darqstar
2009-03-04 01:51 am UTC (link)
For the most part I agree with everything you said, until it gets to the point where such information is important.

For example, if you are RPing on the 'net and your characters get involved in romance? It is not important to know the person behind the character, it is irrelivent, you are RPing.

However, if you are starting to form a relationship that looks as if it might actually lead to meeting in RL, and possibly starting anything romantic off the computer, then yes, the person you're engaging in a future relationship has the right to know that the person they are talking with is, in fact, the person of the sexual orientation that they desire. In other words, don't play you're a sixteen year old girl when you are a 40 year old guy. Don't play straight woman when you are in fact, a gay man. If the relationship is never meant to progress beyond the computer screen? Then it really doesn't matter much, unless you are deliberately misleading for the sole purpose of embarassment. "HAI check it out, I was pretending to be a beautiful, 21 year old Asian stripper, and I got this idiot to believe it. Let me post our chat logs all over the internet!" And even in that case, let the other person beware.

As far as general chat over other things? Completely agree. Who cares, if it's not going to go any further than the computer, or if it's the type of relationship that even if it does lead to offline instances, it still isn't important. Like, if I'm looking for someone to play tennis with, you and I get along, you want to play tennis and we make arrangements to me. It shouldn't matter to me what your race, religion, sexual orientation (born with or identified with) because it doesn't matter when you're playing tennis.

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[info]azurelunatic
2009-03-04 02:02 am UTC (link)
I wasn't even considering scenarios where someone is inaccurately representing themselves for entertainment purposes, honestly. There are plenty of people who just don't share these things, at all, let alone sharing them inaccurately. And roleplay is roleplay. Everyone brings things from their own experience to the role, but expecting someone who is roleplaying to only play someone like themselves is ridiculous.

But yes, representing yourself as something you're not is a dick move, and a stupid dick move if you're then going to be called on it.

Edited at 2009-03-04 02:03 am UTC

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[info]azurelunatic
2009-03-04 10:15 pm UTC (link)
And thinking about it overnight, it really is a different game. Your scenario involves people planning to get together in person. Once things go off-internet, it's a very different ball game. You learn things about them as they are when they're interacting with their environment, and you learn things from those interactions.

If you're going to be meeting up with someone, you by definition are going to need to know how to recognize them (and they you). Once you actually do meet up, you are inherently in possession of knowledge of their basic physical attributes, because this is an inescapable condition of meeting someone in person. I know that [info]pauamma down-thread cannot possibly actually be a miles-long crab who lives in the ocean's depths and downs several tanker-ships full of coffee every morning. However, as he consistently portrays this, it would be rude of me to share any possible photos of him or his coffee with the general public. Another friend once met up (in a public place) with a girl who had been claiming to be much older than she actually was. He wound up telling her mother that she had been claiming to be NOT TWELVE on the internet, and fleeing in obvious horror.

But I would argue that even if it leads to a painfully embarrassing scenario when someone is not as advertised, there is no obligation for both parties to make full disclosure about who they actually are until they're actually meeting. It's merely a stupid action with humiliating consequences. (If you'll be doing more than just meeting, the rules change again. Say the other party will be arranging for dinner, and you have an allergy or other dietary restrictions, you would be remiss if you did not let them know. However, they should inquire about this.)

This rant was spurred by an online-only collision full of assorted astoundingly stupid and mean behavior, where one party decided that effectively since one party had not shared their full name online, that they were not worthy of engaging in dialogue with, and furthermore, they would share that person's full name for them. No sex involved. No meeting up involved.

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[info]pauamma
2009-05-15 03:30 pm UTC (link)
I know that pauamma down-thread cannot possibly actually be a miles-long crab
Am too!

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[info]lady_angelina
2009-03-04 03:17 am UTC (link)
Excellent post. I pretty much agree with everything you said, except you left out one thing:

"I am/you are not entitled to divulge personally identifying or contact information about me without my express permission" (or something along those lines). Unless it was in there and I somehow missed it. =/

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[info]azurelunatic
2009-03-04 03:27 am UTC (link)
The triggering event here is a cascading series of fail where people are thinking that because they were not freely given certain amounts of personally identifying information, that they needed to share this with the whole internet. I hadn't considered putting it in because it really feels like it's a whole different essay.

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[info]nilo
2009-03-04 04:25 am UTC (link)
Hmmm... are you saying you want me to stop calling you Cupcake?

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[info]azurelunatic
2009-03-04 04:32 am UTC (link)
*giggle*

No, but Rhubarb Crunch is right out.

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[info]sithjawa
2009-03-04 09:06 pm UTC (link)
That's a man's name anyway

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[info]hakeber
2009-03-04 04:29 am UTC (link)
Which is why an increasing number of folk are signing up for Facebook under their screen name instead of their RL name.

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[info]azurelunatic
2009-03-04 04:38 am UTC (link)
Facebook is just ... weird.

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[info]hakeber
2009-03-04 04:43 am UTC (link)
Facebook is like being at a cocktail party. Lots and lots of quick conversations, but most of them are meaningless and you won't remember any of it the next day. Whereas LJ is like when you got together with three good friends and were up till three am. And somehow managed to figure out the answer to life, the universe, and everything...and also somehow created two new injokes and now have enough blackmail photos to carry you for at least two years.

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[info]azurelunatic
2009-03-04 04:55 am UTC (link)
Yes. You can now successfully crack up many Dreamwidth regulars by mention of nachos, for example.

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[info]baggyeyes
2009-03-06 03:29 pm UTC (link)
Dreamwidth! I can't wait. I saw your post first - then began tracking a series of posts that seemed to fit this one, and came back. I sometimes wish it would be part of policy to forbid one user to post another's full name without their consent. Although, in this case, it happened off LJ.

Anyway! I wait impatiently for Dreamwidth.

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[info]azurelunatic
2009-03-06 05:05 pm UTC (link)
It actually has been in policy for a while. But since that part of it was off-LJ, I doubt there's anything Abuse can do.

Dreamwidth is coming along nicely! It can handle importing thousands of my crazy entries, although there had better not be two of me trying to do that at the same time. (I was volunteered to stress-test the importer. It broke because of a weird entry, but otherwise handled things nicely, even though it did take down ESN for a while.)

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[info]kyuuketsukirui
2009-03-10 05:06 am UTC (link)
That seems really, really weird to me, but then I can't imagine why anyone would use Facebook for purposes not related to connecting with people you already know offline.

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[info]azurelunatic
2009-03-10 05:25 am UTC (link)
Some people seem to be getting pressured into it as a result of all the people they correspond with winding up over there, and may not be interested in connecting with people who know their legal name.

I found that my Facebook network is about 75% people who know my real (LJ) name, and the other 25% people who only know my legal name.

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[info]kyuuketsukirui
2009-03-10 05:45 am UTC (link)
Right, I get that. It's just that facebook seems so based around offline life that it's hard to see what the appeal would be otherwise. (Then again, I really don't see much of the appeal, period, and only use it as a way to satisfy my curiosity as to what former classmates are doing these days. (The answer is, apparently, having kids.))

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[info]azurelunatic
2009-03-10 07:31 am UTC (link)
I use it much the same. I have found a few former teachers on there, which is actually kind of great.

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[info]hakeber
2009-03-10 11:16 am UTC (link)
Some folk would rather not be found by folk from grade school. This would be why some folk neglect to include the maiden name.

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[info]pauamma
2009-03-04 10:58 am UTC (link)
"You are allowed to speak. You're not entitled to forcing me to listen, to take you seriously, or to believe you." (Or are you sticking to Internet-specific considerations?)

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[info]azurelunatic
2009-03-04 05:57 pm UTC (link)
This is mostly internet-specific, but yes, those apply here too.

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[info]forthwritten
2009-03-04 12:43 pm UTC (link)
Oh, yes. And also, you are not entitled to deny my reasons for maintaining a psuedonymous identity or my desire to keep a distinction between my professional and online identities.

And, even if you do know things about me, you are not entitled to make these things public if I have not indicated that this would be acceptable.

...of course, I say this and I'm about to meet someone for lunch. I initially met this person through LJ and she's now working in my building. But it still wouldn't be okay for me to out her at work or connect her LJ identity to her professional one.

Edited at 2009-03-04 12:45 pm UTC

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[info]azurelunatic
2009-03-04 05:56 pm UTC (link)
Or at the very least, even if you do speculate on same in private, sharing this in public as part of a hostile conversation is go-back-to-kindergarten rude.

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[info]sithjawa
2009-03-04 09:11 pm UTC (link)
On a vaguely related note, do you know how thorough potential-employer internet background checks can be these days? If my LJ username is well known to be me-the-legal-entity-in-real-life, they can and will trace it and go "You talked about DRUUUGS in your BLOOOG," or whatever, but what if it's not?

If your blog is linked to an email address that is well known to be you, but the email address is hidden, can they trace that back to you? I would guess no, but I don't know what resources those background checks utilize. Only that they're creepy and stalkerish. My personal life and my job should only be linked as much as I CHOOSE for them to be linked.

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[info]azurelunatic
2009-03-04 09:32 pm UTC (link)
LJ has a "find me by my e-mail" tool, but you can set that to "yes, this is my LJ", "I has an LJ but I do not show you it", and "no, no has an LJ by that email (even though I do)".

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[info]maquisleader
2009-03-10 03:12 am UTC (link)
You are not entitled to bombard me for making a public statement.

YES!!!!!

I am so freaking tired of not being able to state my opinion in my own LJ without being schooled by people -- some of whom are not even on my friends list!

I would love to put a link to this in my LJ if that's ok by you.

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[info]azurelunatic
2009-03-10 04:14 am UTC (link)
Link away!

If you are getting crazy comments in your space, it's your right and responsibility to moderate those as you see fit. If you're getting weird stuff particularly from people who are not on your friends list, I'd recommend setting comments from non-friends to be screened, so you can have control of what shows up.

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[info]ericavdg
2009-03-10 09:11 pm UTC (link)
(Pointed here by twistedchick) Nice to meet you! You are so right on! The beginning of your post reminded me of a friend of mine in high school who said, "Calling someone by their name is like putting something in a jar and labeling it 'Glass'." I tried very hard not to call hir by name, even though of course I knew it. A very interesting individual, with whom I unfortunately have lost touch.

My username is derived from my real name in such a way that those who know me will recognize me, but is unlikely to be found by search engines. None of my icons pictures me, although I do use my complete name and a photo on Facebook. I keep LJ and Facebook separate, because I really don't want the whole universe of people I have interacted with to be able to easily find my LJ.

Keep fighting the good fight!

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[info]mefan
2009-03-11 03:32 am UTC (link)
Agree, agree, agree. OMFG do I agree.

This is certainly a good reminder that we all need to keep in mind, esp. lately.

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[info]ksol1460
2009-03-11 05:40 am UTC (link)
If I say I have X physical or mental condition, you are not entitled to copies of my medical or psychiatric records to see whether or not I am telling the truth.

If I say I am self-diagnosed or self-assessed as having X condition, you are not entitled to harass me about this, call me a fraud, or give me a lot of grief about how I should go to a doctor.

If I say I am a mental health professional, you are not entitled to know my license number. (this happened to a friend, not to me)

If I say I am not a mental health professional, you are not entitled to go around telling people I am, citing as proof my "professional language" and my use of correct spelling and grammar.

If I talk about alternative or herbal medicine you are not entitled to give me a spiel about how I am advocating the use of "dangerous substances".

You are not entitled to tell me anything you think I "don't remember" about my childhood, education, or upbringing. (This is a longtime annoyance of ours. Details on request.)

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[info]clytemnaestra
2009-03-11 05:55 am UTC (link)
(here via [info]metafandom)

Yes, THIS. Mind if I link to?

How is it that so many people seem to have forgotten these things? Must we all be sent back to Kindergarten for failing the internet?

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[info]azurelunatic
2009-03-11 06:18 am UTC (link)
Link away!

I think it's that so many people choose to share more than is strictly required by the nature of the internet, so that there are separate rules for how much sharing is required to be considered a part of this social circle, and how much information is oversharing, and then the social circles collide and a whole bunch of crazy falls out.

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[info]lightningb
2009-03-11 04:13 pm UTC (link)
Some more general rules for the Internet:

You do not have the right to not be offended. If you're in my space and you don't like what you see, go away. If I'm in your space and I say something you don't like, delete it and/or ban me. If you find yourself deleting or banning too many people, *you* are probably the one with a problem.

If you want to complain to the Offline World, make sure you know what is really libelous, threatening, copyright violation, pr0n, etc.

You do not have the right to the Last Word. Flame wars drag on uselessly for months when two or more people insist on the Last Word. Learn to say "I'm outta here" *and mean it*. In the Offline World, this would be phrased "a strong bladder does not mean a strong argument."

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yes
[info]odogoddess
2009-03-12 12:32 pm UTC (link)
clapping

This makes me want to change my user name to something gender-neutral, something I've considered before.

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Bboosting the signal or trouncing on IP rights?
[info]webqatch
2009-03-13 03:33 pm UTC (link)
I got pointed here through a convoluted set of references, but having read this, I'd like to share it around (with proper attribution, of course!).

What is your personal choice as to how (or if) I do so? Would you prefer:
a) a copy/paste of the essay(?) with "azurelunatic" as the author?
b) a copy/paste of the URL of this page
c) some reasonable combination of the above
d) neither and get out of my journal, you freak

EDIT: you've stated "link away" in a few comments above (which I didn't read before responding - bad me!) but I'd really like to do "c" -- copy/paste the article and attribute to a URL that points back here. Fortunately, my mother raised me to be polite (and then there was that copyright lawsuit), so I don't do such things without asking first.

Edited at 2009-03-13 03:37 pm UTC

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Re: Bboosting the signal or trouncing on IP rights?
[info]azurelunatic
2009-03-13 04:17 pm UTC (link)
Ordinarily I prefer linking, but this is a statement that's basic enough to the internet in general that c) is just fine.

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Re: Bboosting the signal or trouncing on IP rights?
[info]webqatch
2009-03-13 04:24 pm UTC (link)
Thank you!

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A very impressive essay
[info]pingback_bot
2009-03-13 05:14 pm UTC (link)
User [info]ladysmith referenced to your post from A very impressive essay saying: [...] Things that you are not entitled to on the internet. [...]

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[info]aynne_witch
2009-03-14 05:26 pm UTC (link)
excellent writing and excellent points.

I wish more people would get the difference between desire to know and entitlement to know.

Thank you for this essay.

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[info]azurelunatic
2009-03-15 06:50 am UTC (link)
You're welcome.

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[info]bronx_baroness
2009-03-15 07:12 am UTC (link)
So. It was that kind of day for you too?

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[info]azurelunatic
2009-03-15 07:25 am UTC (link)
I have had the privilege to be merely a bystander for the recent unpleasantness, although I am making a small effort to become a better-educated bystander.

Internet culture is one thing that I can claim some sort of expertise to, so I thought this might be useful.

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[info]royeh
2009-03-18 02:06 am UTC (link)
Here by way of http://twistedchick.insanejournal.com/1699642.html

You write as though you've been around since usenet or before.

The META of this stuff has been around for years.

Sad that some folks aren't aware.

TNX for putting it out in this way.

peace royeh

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[info]azurelunatic
2009-03-18 02:44 am UTC (link)
I am a late arrival to the internet (1996-7 or so) but I was internet-raised by the good folks on the dendarii.com Bujold email list, who have a very lengthy online experience. One of the side topics springing out of the latest display of fandom racism and the attendant pain caused and determination to do something about it, was the issue of internet identity. I am trying to shut up and listen regarding racism, but I've been around long enough to hold forth on internet identity issues for the benefit of those who don't know, or who aren't quite sure how to articulate it.

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[info]rhymer_713
2009-04-01 10:33 am UTC (link)
We want to thank you for this. We really appreciate it. We're one of those "One name shared by a group of people" situations and we absolutely despise when people demand to know one of those things they're not entitled to know.

*Pours you a celebratory mug of the drink of your choice, adds this to our memories and then twitters the link for people who don't yet know this stuff. Thank you again and a million times over.

Rhymers^Nadira

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[info]azurelunatic
2009-04-21 05:03 am UTC (link)
Ah. Yeah. Sometimes people don't get that it's Complicated, and that it's None of Their Business.

(I were a 'we' once upon a time; that quietly changed as things changed, and I have to say that sometimes I miss the company.)

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[info]rhymer_713
2009-04-22 12:17 am UTC (link)
*Nod* We can imagine you'd miss the company at times. :(

Do us a favour though. When you're having a crappy day, remember that we're rooting for you. You've said things that we couldn't find the words to say and this means a lot to us. Thank you again.

*Offers bucketload of Internet hugs*

Rhymers^Zehzi

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