The Reverend Miss Lunatic (bolt of blue) ([info]azurelunatic) wrote,
@ 2009-07-17 07:51:00
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PSA: Pingbacks for all!
LiveJournal now features pingbacks for all users, not just paid users. Pingback settings can be managed from the Privacy settings tab. It defaults to off, I believe, so if you haven't set it, you won't be surprised. You can also override pingback settings on a post by post basis, if you feel like being more public or more stealth than usual.


How it works:

A pingback is sort of like a trackback, except automatic. (Okay, 80% of the audience just had their eyes glaze over.)

Pingbacks are based on the concept that if you link to someone else's entry in public (or if they link to yours), you'd want to let them know, and you'd want to know if someone else is talking about your entry. Even better, you want to leave a link to your post on their post to maybe get some of their readers over on your entry.

So you make a public post and you have pingbacks turned on (for your whole journal, or just that post). It has a link to somebody else's post. "Oho! A link!" LJ says, upon you posting it. "I wonder what's at the other end of that shiny little link?"

LJ then pokes the link with a stick to see if the other end of the link does the pingback thing. (If it's on LJ, it's easy to tell. If it's off LJ, LJ sends out a "Hey, y'all do pingbacks? If so, here you go!" request, and hopes for the best. Evidently it's only on-LJ now. They changed it while I wasn't looking!)

If the other site doesn't do pingbacks, LJ shrugs its shoulders and soldiers on. If it does, the other site goes, "Hey, thanks! ...uh, just to be sure, you really do have a link to me, right?" and prods your entry to make sure that you've got a legit link to them and aren't likely to be a spammer just saying you have a pingback.

Assuming all is good, the other site lets the blog owner know that hey! They have someone linking to them! OMG! and in short order, a little blurb saying something like "Some random guy at a blog you've never heard of linked to you! '...and in other news, I found a cool link: [link goes here] and zomg, what, and also ...'" shows up.

In turn, when someone else links to you (and you both have pingbacks turned on), a screened comment from [info]pingback_bot shows up on your entry.


I recommend you turn this on if: you're participating in a large, wide-ranging discussion, and/or you wouldn't mind if the original poster and/or all their commenters followed the link back to chat with you in your post.

I recommend you turn this off if: you're making a catty public post, or any other situation where you would not want the original poster and/or all their commenters to join in or necessarily even know that the post exists.

It doesn't matter if: your post is not public -- pingbacks are off for all locked posts.


This post is brought to you by another round of multifannish discussion and friendly commenters coming in and mentioning where they're being linked from, and a general lack of pingbacks from the places that are linking. (Except you, 'song.)



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Now everybody can make pingbacks, not just paid accounts
[info]pingback_bot
2009-07-17 05:32 pm UTC (link)
User [info]conuly referenced to your post from Now everybody can make pingbacks, not just paid accounts saying: [...] Which is great. has a whole post here about the benefits of pingbacks and when you should set them up and the whole point of this all. However, sadly, she misses the most important reasonto enable pingbacks! You should enable ... [...]

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Re: Now everybody can make pingbacks, not just paid accounts
[info]spectralbovine
2009-07-17 10:51 pm UTC (link)
Most appropriate first comment for this post!

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Re: Now everybody can make pingbacks, not just paid accounts
[info]azurelunatic
2009-07-17 10:56 pm UTC (link)
Indeed!

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[info]pne
2009-07-17 07:42 pm UTC (link)
If it's off LJ, LJ sends out a "Hey, y'all do pingbacks? If so, here you go!" request, and hopes for the best.

It does? I thought pingbacks were intra-LJ only for now.

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[info]azurelunatic
2009-07-17 11:16 pm UTC (link)
...huh, it seems it has changed while I was not watching. It used to have three settings, and "Open" used to be the "everybody everywhere" setting, unless my brain is malfunctioning. Huh.

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[info]conuly
2009-07-19 06:15 am UTC (link)
*thinks back*

You know, I think I remember that too. When I first saw the cute [info]pingback_bot and found out about it, so that was a few months ago.

Edited at 2009-07-19 06:15 am UTC

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PSA: Pingbacks For Everybody
[info]pingback_bot
2009-07-17 09:31 pm UTC (link)
User [info]jblaque referenced to your post from PSA: Pingbacks For Everybody saying: [...] From , via ... LiveJournal now features pingbacks for all users, not just paid users. Pingback settings can be managed from the Privacy Settingstab. It defaults to off, I believe, so if you haven't set it, you won't be surprised. You ... [...]

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[info]spectralbovine
2009-07-17 10:59 pm UTC (link)
So I'm not sure whether the latest version of Semagic has the Pingback setting. What if my default is to allow pingbacks and I make a post linking to someone else's post using Semagic but then realize I don't actually want the post to send a pingback (or I don't want to receive pingbacks on it)? If I edit within a couple minutes of posting to disable pingbacks, will that work? I assume it will keep me from receiving any pingbacks for posts that link to it since the setting will be disabled at the time, but will the post I linked instantly have been pinged, regardless of when I disabled pingbacks on the specific post?

...I hope that made sense.

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[info]azurelunatic
2009-07-17 11:07 pm UTC (link)
That's a good question.

My off-the-top-of-the-head guess would be "maybe" -- it can take up to 15 minutes for a pingback to show if it's going to show (there are places where it is broken, though this typically takes the form of it not working at all when it should, rather than working when it shouldn't), so I suppose it could potentially depend on whether the crucial part of the process has already passed.

I'm going to point Support IRC at this, point the docs crew at this, and recommend a support request for formal documentation of the question.

(edit: where "formal documentation" is documentation that you asked it in management's eyes, rather than in userdoc's eyes.)

Edited at 2009-07-17 11:13 pm UTC

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[info]azurelunatic
2009-07-18 12:29 am UTC (link)
...heh. Evidently after usual office hours but before the evening support rush is a Very Silly Time to ask in IRC.

[16:13] remark: the ping gets lost in a hole in spacetime, echoing into an eternal ping, which will fill the hole in spacetime resulting in a constant ping emission
[16:13] remark: all of livejournal will get pung
[16:13] remark: eternally
[16:13] Azz: is this ringing an eternal ping?
[16:13] remark: yes
[16:14] Azz: "constant ping emission" sounds like something you'd take your car into the shop for
[16:14] Azz: I don't think Tupshin would stand for it
[16:14] Azz: nor Ounree
[16:16] remark: and yet there's nothing they can do about it, except to move the site into an alternative universe where no such ping exists
[16:17] remark: and hope that the wall in spacetime is strong enough to keep this particular ping out
[16:17] remark: simple physics
[16:17] Azz: oho
<sensible>
[16:18] aveleh: Azz: I'd imagine the same thing if you post public with full RSS entries and then realized a judgement in error and edit.
[16:18] aveleh: But that is just a guess.
[16:19] aveleh: uh.. error in judgement. not judgement in error
[16:19] Azz: or it could be "realized that your judgment was in error"
[16:19] Azz: if you thought it was a good thing and then changed your mind very fast
[16:21] Azz: Probably the answer (my friends) is a code dive.
[16:21] Azz: (the answer is diving in the code)
</sensible>
[16:22] remark: The only way to fix it is to wipe the disk array

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[info]spectralbovine
2009-07-18 01:03 am UTC (link)
Hee. Constant Ping Emission does sound like an uncouth condition.

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[info]cissa
2009-07-18 11:12 pm UTC (link)
Thank you- this is very helpful!

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[info]azurelunatic
2009-07-21 03:46 pm UTC (link)
You're welcome!

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Pingback plus
[info]pingback_bot
2009-07-19 11:01 am UTC (link)
User [info]fiddlingfrog referenced to your post from Pingback plus saying: [...] possibilities. This user, who has a lot of interesting stuff to say about LJ in general, wrote up a quick guide to pingbacks. And over here we have someone who thinks the pingback bot is cuteand likes to see it appear on her comments ... [...]

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